Furthermore, I do agree that Louies blog and the comments that follow are an excellent vehicle for enlightenment during these dark times. We are truly living in a period of disorientation. http://www.catholicplanet.com/apparitions/false158.htm It might seem like a small misfortune, but that Colleges demise illustrates in spades the traps awaiting any future independent and stridently Catholic apostolate that seeks to foster unity among the trad diaspora. Catholics are watching and waiting. This reality does in fact place the FSSP under the standard of Satan objectively. FSSP en MEXICO - Oficial 14.7K subscribers Subscribe Like Share 1.8K views 1 year ago Esto es una pequesima muestra de lo que da identidad a la FSSP. I understand the point you're trying to make when you state that people thought the same of the Great & Venerated Saint Who ate locusts & foretold the Coming of the Redeemer and they did. Ive recently come across many of his sermons online and found them to be quite useful. Eric Flood, FSSP, who served in that position for the last . If I NEVER run into another one again I will consider myself blessed. Back in the day, Voris, out of genuine concern for souls, used to lambaste the new Mass as a danger to the faith. No I didnt. In this, Michael Voris protests too much. I, too, had learned much from Fr. Anyway, IMHO, knowing this & taking it into account one can still certainly enjoy this fabulous film. Indeed, the extent and depth of the teaching of the Second Vatican Council call for a renewed commitment to deeper study in order to reveal clearly the Councils continuity with Tradition, especially in points of doctrine which, perhaps because they are NEW, have not yet been well understood by some sections of the Church.. Priest Training Workshops For those who are fans of the old Far Side comic strip by Gary Larson, part of his brilliance was his ability to capture how humanity is prone to missing the obvious. And a real hand with a hole in it stands ready to open the door. Things had got worse since 1970 and the SSPX Was trying to compromise its previous postion on the council with rome order to be accepted by rome. This has happened more than once in America. This comes about in various ways. If Ratzinger is leading people to hell, denying the divinity of Jesus Christ, contradicting Jesus Christ (re: valid covenant of Jews) and committing sacrilege, Ratzinger is NOT good. That neighbor would include jews, mohammedans, shintoists, hindus, etc. Good people do not go along w/heresy. It has been mine too, coming in from the opposite direction, if you will. For this reason Catholics must be wary of them. Whether you believe the Pope IS the Pope (but in grave error and behaving as a Heretic) or the Pope IS NOT the Pope (for the same reasons), the fact remains that we are all suffering Catholics, striving to restore what is birthright membership through Baptism in the True Church of Christthe Holy, Roman Catholic Church. In all charity and respect to you, I want you to know that I did look at your video, but have noted that errors have been found with the modern-day Lazarus story. This is what michael voris used to say He took some time waiting to see the fruits of the Novus Ordo before he made firm judgements. Nada. 1 reason is the position we take. SAGUTO - Michael D., on June 12, 2009 of Syosset, NY. This is the document that created the FSSP. Regardless of how we categorize the post-conciliar popes, the Traditional movement is best served by sticking together. But just bc it ought to be further delineatd in that separate category for clarity which would take a minute. b) Moreover, I should like to remind theologians and other experts in the ecclesiastical sciences that they should feel themselves called upon to answer in the present circumstances. That should be past tense, i.e. The Holy See, FSSP Apostolates Perhaps bc of those such as yourself who have been poorly & even cruelly treated by a sedevacantist somewhere along the line, some proceed to make vast generalizations. FORT WAYNE. Michael Voris has a bee in his bonnet and he has boxed himself into lambasting a group that just goes about its business without giving him any attention at all. As our Lord taught, governed, and sanctified by His physical Body that He took of our Lady overshadowed by the Holy Ghost, so He continues to do now with His Mystical Body, the Church, overshadowed by the Holy Ghost on Pentecost. Anyone who reads Louies blog should, by now, have developed an awareness of the dismal state of affairs in the Church. Nothing is credible in the Church apart from Christ who lives in it with us; if we do not believe Christ is God, then we never believe in the truths that flow from that and have had tremendous impact on us the Holy Trinity, the Holy Eucharist, the Resurrection, the forgiveness of sins. S testigo de la experiencia de la. We are Baptized and likely Confirmed; that means that graces come with these two sacraments that put us on a path to meet God, throughout this life, at our judgment, and hopefully face-to-face in heaven for eternity. That doesnt make them schismatic; rather, it makes the pope guilty of abusing his authority. Think of it as pulling back the curtain on the little man of OZ (Voris). VII & that which was borne of it, a Modernist Sect, is the problem. Calgary, AB IMHO what you point out is important. There is a schismatic attitude in the fact of consecrating bishops without pontifical mandate. But the new campus lease turned out not to be sustainable, either, just a reprieve in execution of sentence, and it is astonishing to me that he thought it could be otherwise. It is indeed a shame that there is not a single fully traditional Catholic college in the country. Fr. Fulton Sheen coins Him, living in the Church that seeks to unite her members and remain the constant inspiration for our holiness and mutual forgiveness. Tyler, TX Our Lady of Guadalupe Seminary As you say, hopefully someday he will be humble enough to admit his error. Liturgical Guides to the Seasons your above comments are quite smug and patronizing. You have some excellent points in your comments, but I agree with Mr. Matt on this one. Catholics are STILL watching and waiting. No they did not. North American Headquarters, South Abington Twp, PA. This cannot become ho-hum, but we know there is always a danger of that, or getting stuck in a rut. Priestly Fraternity of St, Peter (FSSP) poses a whole slew of ecclesiological, doctrinal and moral problems. The FSSP is wrong on the doctrine,principles and the new mass. dear john6, General Chaplain Father Stefan Reiner. I dont follow Mr. Voris. Terry is a parishioner at Mater Dei parish, run by the FSSP, in Irving, TX. San Diego, CA or Will they remain under the standard of Satan? And it comes from the preaching of those who have received, along with their right of succession in the episcopate, the sure charism of truth. Will the FSSP issue a public statement in support of the SSPX and debunk the schism myth? However, over the last year and a half U.S. dioceses and religious orders serving most of the Catholics in the country have released lists of "credibly accused" abusers who have served in their ranks, using their own criteria for whom to include. He replaces Fr. There are some very holy FSSP priests who truly care about the souls of their parishioners. Will the FSSP issue a public statement rebuking Voris and CMTV? Take any good news with a grain of salt when it comes from modernists. Are they abandoning it if they fail to adopt the same posture as the SSPX? I have a great devotion to our lords most sacred heart i go mass first fridays make a few holy hours in the week recite the litany of sacred heart etc , i kept coming across the argument , its replacing devotion to the sacred heart which in my case wasnt true. SOLEMNMASS Fr. Theres an old definition of fanatic as someone who can change neither his mind, nor the subject. For those who are fans of the old Far Side comic strip by Gary Larson, part of his brilliance was his ability to capture how humanity is prone to missing the obvious. If interested, you can contact her at 612-450-0273 or gemmarose974@gmail.com. Dear Alarico, First of all whatever myself or others comment here does not mean that this is louies position or that he even agrees with the comment. So I hope we can say that we whole heartedly agree that such warm discourse between sedevacanists & Catholics who oppose is the way not only that it should be, but it is the way we are called to be. We do need to know who we can trust and who we cannot. The recovery from this disaster will be a century long. But they are all liars? Using the principle of By their fruits you will know them the FSSP is now showing more and more bad fruit. This is a good and reasonable rule for the protection of minors and avoiding issues (if . Montreal, QC Im pretty much thinking the same thing. The FSSP superiors have already been notified: http://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/fr.-john-emerson-fssp-on-his-break-from-the-sspx Will the FSSP leaders act? ***That said, this includes those who wish to be Catholic. I pray the chaplet everyday at 3-00oclock God willing. Providence, RI You do not have to rehash your reasons why you hate Mr. Matts opinion as I just re-read your words and the responders here on this link: Barbara, marian, 2nd group those that attend TLM this can range from someone who may attend a weekday TLM or sunday TLM but who still likes to be involved with their local parish and who sees no problem with new mass. But I am going to check your topics before I read further. Be convinced that He always leaves His runaways with a key to get back into the house. 09:00am Holy Mass - Extraordinary Form*. Without Me, you can do nothing (Jn. Thats Mr. V.s job. 2:00pm Keynote Speaker - Jeffrey Ostrowski. Dear john6, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX75xiW2Z54. I am a Catholic who assents to all the Teachings of The Roman Catholic Church which lives on, undefiled in all her Glory. sedevacantists dont believe the chair of peter is vacant theres no different/various groups within the sedevacantist movement. Mr. David McWhirter, FSSP ('12), are all set to join the priesthood, with three other alumni becoming deacons as well. 2022 TheCatholicSpirit.com. In an effort to hold on to whatever they could of the Faith, they ran straight into the arms of groups like the SSPX, as well as others. But I realized, and it actually had nothing to do w/sedevacantism, that me and mine WERE Nancy Pelosi. Id aleeady come across 1 of them a couple of years ago. At one time, I am certain that Michael Voris would likewise refuse to sign such a statement. Youngstown, OH. All rights reserved. Pequannock, NJ If he so desired, in this year of mercy, to also grant them jurisdiction, TMAHICH could do so. As such, the pope can make a formal declaration of schism based upon the SSPXs refusal to accept the errors of the Council, and guess what? FUNERAL HOMES. dear rich, If sedevacantist friends or family have done that to you, or anyone, its a shame. Philadelphia, PA The rest would be for a forum. If we want to be charitable, we could possibly say that its because of the treatment of sedevacantists described above, that a small number of sedes respond to other trads in a kind of a backlash mode, if you will. Opus dei (small d) is the lace connecting all the dots of the CMTV operation that not many people appear to be willing to look into. My only point was the Church today is in a dire crisis and the antics of Mr. Voris are the least of our problems. Especially in light of the context in which hes stepping up his attack with the Pope extending a remarkable olive branch to Econe and disastrous developments in annulment law and the ominous maneuverings underway for the Synod Against the Family.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX75xiW2Z54. Tacoma, WA I, for one, have found so many polite & dear empathetic souls here on Mr. V.s site who treat me wth tender kindness even on my worst days, and would never even think of bringin up my myriad flaws & throw them in my face. Wolfes gem about things not coming into being by a legal declaration. If you dont mind-consider a few thingsyou dont have to respond-this is not a challenge. Thanks for the levity. Im the same age as the Pope but even Fr. Detraction is a sin where one reveals the true and secret fault of another without a good reason. ), Even though Im not real keen on the idea of expending a great deal of energy parsing the criticisms of a man who is so clearly motivated by an agenda that has nothing whatsoever to do with seeking and telling the truth. I read this blog daily.I may post here about 3 times a week, if that, and I would hardly consider what I do hijacking. And then theres Archbishop Lefebvre, who was more than willing to work within diocesan and canonical frameworks when he erected the SSPX, and asked for nothing more than that when he met with Paul VI. Montreal, QC by Fr. I dont mean to be evasive, but thats all I can say in justice. The best way is to always talk about principles not personalities. the requirement that adults not be alone with minors).. And weather.) Our Lady of Guadalupe Seminary I ask this question with all sincerity not to provoke any animosity or defensive reaction. Hence the old adage that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.. The full details of what happened at Fisher Moore College need to be made public. In the event that a request were made in the future, the present restrictions on Father Sagutos ministry could only be lifted after our normal review process, which would have to include a recommendation from the Ministerial Review Board of the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis, Archbishop Hebda added. Search. Gerard Saguto, FSSP, North American Superior for the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter, made a pastoral visit to Mater Dei on Sunday, March 6th, offering the 9:00 AM Sung Mass and the Benediction following the Mass. Catholics are STILL watching and waiting. There is a way to point out the faults of others. I was reading the blogger Leo over on Catholic Truth Scotland and he said a priest once described Vatican II as human respect, dogmatized. Which means that because these others dont beleive certain things it gets people start to say you shiuldnt believe this or that. Saguto, Fr. In reality, it is far more likely the case that it was used with permission, tacit or otherwise, thanks perhaps to Terry Carroll and his Mater Dei connection. His temporal concerns; nothing more, nothing less. Sometimes we are trite, blunt, even silly. We have not yet seen Justice in the Fisher Moore College scandal. No need to be so defensive i wrote a short paragraph to explain things to people who read the blog and comments. If Terry Carroll was just another CMTV premium member with an axe to grind, would Michael Voris have done this same about face? Inaccurately classified and Inaccuratley defined sorry to the average reader i got it wrong in my comment above thanks de maria for correcting me. No the abandoning of Christ for the FSSP is a doctrinal matter: Post Falls, ID If the Holy Ghost impressed them, that means He is always ready to stir up their consequences a renewed and invigored faith, courage to tackle the obstacles that challenge its practice, be it in our own soul or in the world, for the love of God and neighbor in the imitation of Christ. Immigrants featured in new Cathedral exhibit, Our Lord Jesus Christ, King of the Universe the Alpha and the Omega, Practicing Catholic host vividly recalls memories, emotions of midnight Mass 12 years ago, Awaken the Heart event March 4 offers chance for an authentic encounter with Christ, Making music, embracing Lent: in step with Caroline Metzinger. Voris, by contrast, runs every last word through a filter; avoiding anything that might conflict with more personal concerns; the likes of which well address a little later. Providence, RI I dont know what changed his mind regarding the SSPX, but whatever or whomever it is has him hooked good. The early Christians were hiding from the pagans in their day, says Michael Matt in this video: The attacks from Michael Voris & CMTV against Catholics in the SSPX would not be possible were it not for the FSSP and the Bishops who ordain Priests for the FSSP. To be a contributing part of this effort requires that our Lord possesses a key place in our hearts. In one such frame, a building that houses a ladder company is on fire, and as the employees look out from a third story window, the caption has them wishing how they could find a way to climb down. Weve got bigger fish to fry. Lets be clear these men (again, including the pope) are not synonymous with the Church; rather, they are, objectively speaking, laboring for her destruction. They accept the council and while there are priests that personally may object even tell certain parishiners this or that they have by joining one of these groups accepted romes position that the second vatican council is part of the church and tradition. Faithful Catholics do not have time to be having this debate with the Synod just around the corner. (See above. Houston, TX Is there no one out there who can challenge poikolby and rich, and others here who detract from the reputations of these men, and from the reputation of the FSSP but me? Their jurisdiction is supplied by cannon law because they beleive there is a state of emergency in the church because people are in danger of losing the catholic faith. The SSPX, Church Militant, and many other Catholics recognize the deep crisis that has been brought about by weak leaders, corrupt leaders, homosexual leaders, feminized leaders in the Church for the past fifty-odd years. 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